He explains that the problem is : the nobles are clearly in favor of the Count of Toulouse, so is the people. But the pope is literally the master of the order of the Templars, so they have to follow his orders, what can be done ? Also the emperor is willing to bring much ressources.

Roncelin explains about the scroll that he found. And he is certain that he can create the Philosopher’s stone. Which would definitely give them power over to change everything.